Father of quantum computing David Deutsch joins Sana’s founder and CEO Joel Hellermark and Spotify’s Co-President Gustav Söderström for a candid, wide-ranging conversation on knowledge creation, human creativity, artificial intelligence, and our cosmic significance. Together, they explore how genuine understanding differs from pattern matching, why AGI remains fundamentally misunderstood, the relationship between quantum mechanics and reality, and what makes humans irreplaceable in the universe’s unfolding story. Deutsch shares insights on the nature of explanation, why tools enhance rather than replace human intelligence, and his vision for humanity’s unlimited potential in an intelligible cosmos.

Watch the full episode above or read the transcript of their conversation below.