Sana’s first engineer and Lovable founder Anton Osika joins Joel Hellermark to discuss how AI is turning software creation from a specialist skill into something anyone can do. He shares how Lovable lets non‑developers build and iterate on real products in minutes, why the future of work will hinge on choosing the right problems and crafting great experiences, and how this “SaaSpocalypse” could free people to focus on creativity over routine execution.

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